Since we haven't figured out how to have an actual IDYM.com party, how about we have a virtual viewing party and discuss the movie little by little? Some of my favorite posts here are the ones that delve deep into the specifics of a scene or moment, so how about this: every couple of days, we start a new discussion about a scene, and post our observations? Think of the fun! Think of the invaluable contribution to future There Will Be Blood scholars! Think of the goat's milk!
Obviously, we'd start with the beginning. The chapters on the DVD are divided into reels, and the first reel ends 14 minutes in, so why don't we begin by looking at minutes 0:00 - 7:10, which is the 1898 section, from the fade-in to Daniel's signature. Daniel's prospecting for silver, sets off a dynamite blast, and breaks his leg falling off the ladder. (We had an earlier discussion about the opening here, mainly focusing on some of the biblical imagery.)
Here are some of my more obvious observations:
- Daniel's crouching by the fire is reminiscent of the apes in Kubrick's 2001. It's also realistic; old men of the west apparently liked to chill out like that.
- After Daniel's fall, it's the first time in the movie we see him waking up in unpleasant circumstances. It won't be the last.
- I always assumed the shot of the three mountains we see after the fade in is the same shot that we see after Daniel drags himself out of the hole, but it's not -- the clouds are different.
- According to the document he's signing, we are in Engle, New Mexico. Daniel's signature introduces us to his name wordlessly, and forms a nice bookend with a similar but much deteriorated signature at the end of the movie.
I guess this little sequence sets up the entire movie in miniature: Through his ingenuity and persistence, DP excavates wealth from the earth, but pays a serious personal price.
Great thread! Love it! Love it!
One of my favorite parts of the opening is when he's lying at the bottom of the shaft after his fall, and he takes that huge gasp of air and screams "NOOOOOO!" I read a great comment on that somewhere -- and I can't remember if it was on this board or elsewhere -- where someone referred to that intake of breath as being like the first breath a baby takes when it's born, and we're witnessing the birth of Plainview here, with all the ferocity and willpower he possess suddenly taking him over. Also love the way the beginning foreshadows the end -- Painview huddled in some ratty blankets, totally alone in a barren landscape.
And also in the assayer's office the ore is smashed under a hand-held tool with a handle, flat top, and rounded bottom. (I forget what it's called.) In 1927 when he signs his name his signature gets blotted with a blotter that's made almost the same way.
"Painview???" Interesting typing slip! *LOL!*
This is a great idea Fletcher. I'm watching the first 14 minutes tonight. (I need some pleasure right now.)
It a good idea. get as many people as possible on, schedule it. That shot of him with the coffe or soup cup is gorgeous, and its oddlt distinct from any other part in the film. Im not sure if any otehr part has blue iin it, or at least that muc of it.
I almost said that that was one of my favorite shots, but I have like 13 hundred of them.
That is my favorite shot in that part of the film. I have been lately working on a project involving research of the west during the late 1800s and I've seen many photos and drawings of cowboys and prospectors crouched around the fire just like that.
My !#$%^&~ copy of the dvd hasn't arrived yet! Supposedly was mailed on the 8th but still not in my mailbox! I will catch up to this thread once I've actually had the privilege of studying those first 14 minutes.
Fletcher, thanks for giving us all an academic excuse to watch this movie again! And again!
The way his hair and beard look and the odd expression on his face reminds me of the post-mortem photos that used to be taken of bank robbers and gunslingers in the old west.Their hair was always sticking up and looking matted like that and they had those weird expressions.
Sorry for phrasing that so oddly. I'm on my way to bed.
I wonder if his tent is still there. i shall move in and drink coffee just like him and stuff
I know this was part of the earlier discussions, but three mountains, three major conflicts occur: Eli/Henry/HW. Also, just a few other things that seemed to stand out; during the dynamite scene, Daniel actually resembles the earth, his clothes are so covered in dust, he blends into the landscape. Does the certificate from the assay office actually say "3 ounces @ $1.14"? (Sorry, but it's late, and I don't want to watch the whole opening again.) If so, that's a very modest beginning, especially in consideration of what hellish work has gone into finding that bit of silver. (I know, the silver mine then "produces" and becomes profitable.) Much as I hate to say it, upon finding silver, the "there she is" line does back up Todd Alcott's view that drilling (prospecting) is a substitute for sexual activity. More simply though, it's DP's "object of desire." And like all passions, it's addictive. I'm not going to say anything about our passions destroying us in the end, but we can always get into that later! I'm a bit curious about DP failing to bring up his tools before the dynamite charge goes off. What does he really stress in his sales speech later? "I don't lose my tools in the hole and spend months fishing for them." I know he's speaking about oil at that point, I can't think that the earlier scene is coincidental. I'll watch again tomorrow and see what stands out.
Sues, lest we forget all teh threes on that document, teh third revelation, 3 deaths that Damiel caused or killed with his own hands, the three wells working in little boston (He says "three" twice then puts of three fingers for the third reference) In the hall way he shoots his gun three times, looks through a scope on a tripod, teh shot has three thresholds and the lamps are composits of three, Eli gets three glasses. I know Im forgetting something
Started watching 2001 in the middle of the night, so here are some screen grabs from the beginning...
Sues, I could never quite make out how much money he's making from the silver -- three hundred something perhaps? EW, did you ever check out Least Wanted? Lots of scruffy criminals there.
And just for fun, a few more grabs from TWBB:
Ok, it's $342! Thanks, Fletcher.
The capital "P" looks like a Christian cross, an ankh, and an outline of the sketch of the pump from 1901.
Notice also how much larger "Plainview" is than "Daniel." And if I remember my graphology I think all those hooks indicate secretiveness.
I just happened across the later signature. EW, what does your graphology make of this?
that looks like my signature. yikes.
Could you get me the full 1898 one with the line underneath it? I'd like to compare the two. If you could put both in one post that'd help a lot.
I think the change in his signatures is more a sign of his declining faculties than anything else.
The shot with the "1898" caption is one of many in the film that I find quite literally breathtaking. I can honestly say this film is the first film to ever move me to use that word.