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    Robbery! A base crime!  WTF is wrong with these people?

    • CommentAuthorTehachapi
    • CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008
     

    Fucking agreed, Marland!

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    Well, we have to keep in mind that "Forrest Gump" beat "Pulp Fiction," that Richard Burton and Peter O'Toole  didn't  win Best Actor Oscars, that Orson Welles never got Best Director. Politicking often trumps art. Time will tell.

    Dammit. This makes me wonder if I even want to go see "No Country for Old Men" now.

    I'm sure my neighbors wondered why I was screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs. I almost threw a chair.

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    guys, honestly...the oscars really mean nothing in the great scheme of things. pta is still the greatest director on this planet, twbb was the best film of 2007, and HEY, DDL WON! and EW you said it best, politicking often trumps art. though i think no country was a masterpiece and im happy that it won, i would be absolutely ecstatic in any other year if it won, if it werent for TWBB....

    • CommentAuthorbarryegan
    • CommentTimeFeb 24th 2008
     

    I just really wanted PTA to take home best director. . . I feel so emotionally attached to his films and his craft that it would validate my personal tastes if he had won. It's validation I can live without, but it would have still been nice.

    At least DDL won.

    • CommentAuthormanderson
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008
     

    if any other picture were going to win last night, i'm glad it was no country for old men.  it's certainly not the cohen brothers' best film, and it was certainly not as good or dynamic as there will be blood, but a worthy contender.  as my boss put it, 'there will be blood is just too good to win best picture.'

    • CommentAuthorFkane
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2008
     
    As much as I admire this film and think it was the best made film this year. I think all of the Oscars went to the right people(for a change). I enjoyed "No Country" more than "Blood" and I feel it needed to be best voted the best picture. However I think "Blood" will have a longer life among true fans of cinema. Perfect example: Mr. Kubrick never won a best picture oscar for any of his films, all of which transcend the medium of film. PTA ,in my prediction, will receive one of those "makeup" oscars later in his career as long as he keeps up the quality work he has been putting out. I was very happy to see Daniel Day Lewis and Robert Elswit take home the gold they deserve.
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    Fkane, your comments about PTA's future remind me of a scene in "White Hunter, Black Heart," where Clint Eastwood plays a character plainly based on John Huston. Talks like him too. And he predicts his future:

    "I'll die broke in a downtown Los Angeles flophouse. And l won't be bitter. I'll have contributed maybe five damn good pictures.They'll name a special Academy Award for me. And you know something? All the wrong guys will get it. And l'll be in hell, laughing my ass off."

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    I was really disappointed about the Oscars.  TWBB and PTA were robbed or Best Picture and Best Director. I think it is a case of Hollywood politicking at it's finest. It was depressing. I saw No Country - it had nothing meaningful to say, it was just a crazed, heartless killer on the loose carrying huge weapons and killing people without a blink and no one caught him, nor was anyone trying to. It was dreary and sad and the fact that it won best picture is clear that something is wrong in America. The Coens must have some serious clout because their movie was not that great. I wish I had not seen it, but would love to see TWBB again and again. I know these issues are subjective - to each his own, but IMO TWBB was a much better movie and PTA deserved the Oscar!

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    To MAnderson:

    I don't understand what your boss meant by "there will be blood is just too good to win best picture."  Why is that?

    • CommentAuthorfredheys
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2008
     

    It was  a sad loss for TWBB, I have seen no country, and it is good had some strong points, but not something that will stick around for long, seen it once, might watch it again but thats it...but in no way as deep and epic as TWBB, which i have seen twice and have an urge to watch again, it has so many layers and facets, its by far one of the best films I have seen for a long time. Its pure politics, the Cohens have been overlooked many times, an think its more of a lifetime achievement award that they got, a sympathy vote showing where the academy thought to give them a prize and the respect they finally deserved. The same happened to scrosese, who won his statue for the departed, everyone knew he should have gotten one (or a few) for his previous films, like raging bull or goodfellas....departed was entertaining but oscar worthy?

    so yeah TWBB  should have won on the most important counts, oh well, i think people know the truth now and it will stand the test of time more than its rival, be shown in classes, uni's etc, with word of mouth it will spread more and more, this is a true winner which is more important than any award.

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    @I'm Finished & fredheys:

    At the risk of starting a flame war, I am one of those few people who think that "No Country" didn't deserve Best Picture.

    The Coens have done better (Big Lebowski, Blood Simple, Miller's Crossing, etc.). I suppose this was, as some people online are saying, "payback" for Fargo not winning in 1996. I also agree on "The Departed" not being Oscar worthy. It wasn't "Raging Bull" or "Taxi Driver" -- not Scorsese's best by a long shot. But, who's really raving about "The Departed" a year later? I don't hear a thing about how "great" it is anymore. Personally, I thought "Letters From Iwo Jima" should have won for 2006, but I guess Clint Eastwood had already won too many Oscars or something silly like that.

    Bottom line: The Oscars are a grossly overblown and mind-numbingly self-congratulatory popularity contest. I figured this out when Tommy Lee Jones (The Fugitive) beat out Ralph Fiennes (Amon Goeth in Schindler's List) for Best Supporting Actor back in '93. What a joke that was! Ever since, the Academy has made some horrible picks, like "Shakespeare in Love" over "Saving Private Ryan" for best picture. Which one of those two is still respected as a great motion picture milestone and which one is in the K-mart cutout bin with all of the other light-hearted nonsense ten years later?

    For the OP and all others discouraged by TWBB getting snubbed for best pic -- don't let it worry you. 1) DDL was recognized just about everywhere for his portrayal of Daniel Plainview and 2) "There Will Be Blood" will stand the test of time. As I said in another thread, TWBB is probably the most important cinematic acheivement of our century. 

    People will remember this one for a long time.

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    I think "Miller's Crossing" was one of the finest films of the 90s--if not the best, then definitely in the top three. "Barton Fink," "The Big Lebowski,"  and "O Brother..." were funny and inventive. But for whatever reason I could never get into "Fargo" or "Raising Arizona."

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    I agree with I'm finished' sentiments exactly.  No Country is one of the most overrated films of all time, and (with the exception of Bardem's exceptional performance) completely void of any  "socially redeeming value".  As for an explanation of why it was awarded the industry's most prestigious award, I am reminded of the simple fact remark that got the late great Marlon Brando into so much trouble on the Larry King show:  "Hollywood is run by Jews."

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    What a mean and ugly thing to say.

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    Sorry, I agree with the second to last statement. NCFOM was good up until a certain point.  By the time it got to the end I was in a trance and I forgot what was said. I do have to say both were long movies and I never experienced that with TWBB. The Cohen Brothers are pretty much getting a make up oscar for Fargo, which was a much better movie than NCFOM.

    • CommentAuthorsues
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2008
     

    The Coen brothers have been accused by some critics of being closet anti-semites themselves.  I read a somewhat persuasive article saying that they were self-hating Jews.  Now, if I were them, whatever my views were, I'd be pissed that a critic would even make a charge like that.  I think they like playing with people's expectations, and they do it well.

    People are just basically stupid.  Now, much as I will probably regret this- I'm going to use the "A word."  TWBB is an auteur film, and Hollywood has always had a problematic relationship with works that are nuanced and require thought.  Look at the Shawshank Redemption.  Yeah, it was decent acting, but the film's emotional content was as predictable as a Bugs Bunny cartoon (maybe more so.)  That's what Hollywood likes, always has, and sadly, seems to continue to do so.  Remember Shine?  God, what a piece of crap that was.  And people LOVED it.   And they loved it because....fill in the blank.

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    Well, to weigh in on a controversial topic, I think "Schindler's List" was grossly over-rated and am puzzled why it appears atop so many "best" lists.  Now I've enjoyed some of Spielberg's films, but I've never been able to consider him a great director. But I am a terrible snob.

    As for films about the Jewish experience in WWII, I much prefer "Europa Europa." Granted, that's not set in a concentration camp, but I think it's an excellent film.

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    I loved No Country For Old Men and I love the Coen Bros, but I must say I preferred There Will Be Blood. I am happy however that the Coens got 4 oscars, and I'm happy that D.D.L. got the Best Actor oscar.

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    Robbery indeed, although to be expected.  Let's not forget that Taxi Driver (a spiritual cousin of TWBB in my opinion) lost to Rocky.  Now, NCFOM is no Rocky, and is way better than many winners (GLADIATOR, for instance!) but that really was the Coen's career award.  TWBB will stand the test of time.

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