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    Before I provoke anyone into a debate, let me first say that I love you people for obsessing over "Blood" as meticulously as I have (and in NapkinFace's case, considerably more so). I've seen it three times in two weeks.

    To Mr. Draaaiiinnaage, I'd like to propose the principle of Occam's Razor, which states that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. "This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known. That is, the fewer assumptions an explanation of a phenomenon depends on, the better it is. For example, some claim that God caused himself to exist and also caused the universe to exist - he was the "first cause" - whereas Occam's Razor suggests that if one accepts the possibility of something causing itself then it is better to assume that it was the universe that caused itself rather than God because this explanation involves fewer entities. The negation of Occam's Razor would suggest that an arbitrarily complex explanation is just as good as the simplest one. (E.g. God and his cat created a robot called Sparky who built the universe from parts bought from a shop in another dimension)."

    What I'm saying is that when it comes to conjecture concerning homoerotic undertones, Daniel's apparent disinterest in the opposite sex, and his being around men all the time, I think some are analyzing so deeply that things are being found that are not supported or affirmed by the actual film.

    Roger Ebert faulted the film for its "lack of women." But consider that Daniel was an oil-baron. I would be surprised to learn if there were many (if any) female oil-workers in Plainview's line of work in turn-of-the-century Texas. Do you know of some historical examples of female oil prospectors? In Plainview's small circle of associates and confidantes, it is very likely that he would have only men. It's not as if Daniel "chooses to spend his life surrounded by other men" as Draaaiiinnaage says. That's like saying a basketball player has an ambiguous sexuality because he spends so much time with his male coach and his male teammates at practices and games. That's their line of work, and in that instance, only men are involved.

    Now, if Ebert is complaining about Plainview not having a wife, a girlfriend, a mistress, consider this: the man is a miser and a misanthrope. It is highly unlikely he would have any of these sorts of women in his personal life. Ebert's complaint is sort of tantamount to writing a review of "A Christmas Carol" and finding fault with Ebenezer Scrooge's lack of a girlfriend. Maybe Ebert would like some cobbled-on storyline with Plainview's sister coming to town.

    As for Eli, Daniel never chooses to go looking for Eli except once, when he goes to ask him to see to the prayer service and the possessions of the man who died in the second accident, which is merely Daniel taking care of a business obligation. Eli is the one always going to Daniel. Draaaiiinnaage, when you say "...Along the way, the young preacher is subjected to gleeful, orally fixated taunts about milkshake-slurping, among other verbal and physical humiliations, all of which he submits to with a surprising, almost capitulatory ease," didn't you think maybe Daniel beats the shit out of Eli because he hates him? The first time he slaps the hell out of Eli, it's because Eli insensitively goes to ask Daniel for his money (which Eli said he only wanted to build his new church which we've already seen being constructed) right after H.W. has been tragically deafened. Eli submits to Daniel's abuse because he is scared of him. He even tells Daniel at the end "Don't bully me!"

    The only eye-brow raising moment of the film is when Eli says randomly when talking about Bandy's grandson, "He is very good-looking." Granted, Eli is talking about how the boy wants to become a Hollywood actor. But if there are any homosexual undertones coming from the film, none of it is coming from Daniel.

    No one is wondering about the latent homosexual tendencies of Ebenezer Scrooge.

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    I do suspect that one of the sins Eli was led into in the big city was homosexuality, despite the mention of the two women he supposedly entered the mansion with in the script.

    I've never thought Daniel was gay. After all, he seemed to enjoy the memory of the Peachtree Dance, which I would assume involves women.

    Daniel just lived in a man's world, hated people in general, and had more important things on his mind than getting tied down to a wife. In my own life I've seen friends have to chuck their ambitions and dreams after they married because their wives wouldn't let them go after these things.

    There is of course the possibility that he didn't respect most women, since his mother either allowed her husband to be unfaithful or was ignorant of his dalliances. I'm fairly sure he didn't like his father, and that was why he was, by the standards of his time, a good father to H.W.--until of course he went deaf.

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    But Daniel did seem genuinely reluctant about leaving H.W. on the train when he arranged for Fletcher to hold the boy onboard as the train departed. And Daniel cares about the size of H.W.'s room at the place where he has been sent to stay, even asking the question, "How big is the room?" twice, asking the same question even after Fletcher answers it, signifying that he is losing his grasp on sanity. Why would he be so concerned about the size of H.W.'s room if he no longer cared about him?

    He is also very fragile when it comes to announcing "I abandoned my child!" during his Baptism.

    Look at the affection he showers on H.W. at the restaurant where he puts the napkin on his face. I really don't think there is any scene where Daniel shows coldness to H.W. when he is a boy.

    Somewhere else, somebody posted a negative review of the film saying "the lastest Rambo movie had more heart and emotional range than this dog." This person, frankly, is obtuse, because if they had any manner of ability to catch nuance they would have noticed Daniel's affection for H.W. throughout the film. Daniel dotes on the boy. Daniel has a heart, and it shrivels as he grows more and more disconnected from his son. His son walking out on him at the end is sort of symbolic for the final blow to Daniel's humanity. You remember which scene follows directly after... 

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    True, true, WhiskeyMilk. I agree with you. When  HW came back from the deaf school and he and DP hugged DP did say, "That does me good." I guess I need to watch it a third time.

    I will amend my previous statement. Apparently the "competition" in DP caused him, between 1911 and 1927, to draw an invisible line in the sand, beyond which even HW could not go without dire consequences. I'm sure HW's deafness and the presence of the interpreter got on DP's nerves after awhile. I'm sure he was frustrated  that his money could not make his son healthy and whole.

    I don't think DP asking twice about the room is so much a sign of growing insanity as that he's worried and anxious. In fact I don't know as I would say DP ever was insane so much as he was ruthless and driven and paranoid.

    I, like many, have to wonder what happens off-screen, between 1902 and 1911 and 1911 and 1927. If father and son ever reconcile, if DP beats the rap.

    From all I've read and heard from people who grew up in those days, DP was extremely loving and affectionate to HW. I do, however, think the gusher and the fire knocked DP a bit off course. But I think he realized that as boss he had to take charge of the fire, even if his son was hurt--since it was obvious at the time of the fire that the only thing he could do for HW was comfort him.

    I think the baptism scene shows DP at his most naked--he knows it, Eli knows it, and we know it, and DP resents the hell out of that. I remember the first time I watched the first "Harry Potter" film on DVD, I watched the Quidditch scene in slow-mo. That was a revelation--all the things I was able to pick out then. I expect the baptism scene will be one I'll have to pick apart when the TWBB DVD comes out. There's so many nuances and subtleties in that scene. I just watched the whole movie wondering how DDL keeps all that in his head--not just the lines and the blocking, but the subtle play of emotions and motivations that surface on his face and in  his eyes and gestures. Just friggin' remarkable.

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    Just friggin' remarkable is F***ing right. I didn't think it was possible for a screen character in 2007 to be more riveting than Anton Chigurh, Sheriff Ed Tom Bell, and Llewlyn Moss, but DD-L looms over them all.

    As for Plainview's sanity, perhaps you're right when everyone goes about saying he is a lunatic. Perhaps that is an oversimplification of what is happening to him.

    When you said "From all I've read and heard from people who grew up in those days, DP was extremely loving and affectionate to HW" I was confused as I thought both DP and H.W. were fictional characters from Upton Sinclair's "Oil!" I thought the book was a fictionalized account based on an actual oil-baron from that time period.

     

    Also, I really would have enjoyed some scenes bridging 1911 and 1927. Hell, I would have enjoyed watching Daniel Plainview read a phone book.

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    Well, apparently "Oil!" provided only a skeleton of the TWBB plot.

    http://californiawriter.blogspot.com/2005/05/upton-sinclairs-oil-high-octane.html

    When I mentioned the way parents behaved in those days I was basing it on what my grandfather and others told me of their childhoods. Dads back then were stern disciplinarians, not touchy-feely and loving. My grandfather was kicked out of the house at 16 or 17 and made to go find a job and fend for himself. This was not because my great-grandfather was a jerk, but because that's the way they did things back then. And since this happened in Texas it shouldn't be surprising my grandfather went to the oil fields.

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    I was rereading this-- "Also, I really would have enjoyed some scenes bridging 1911 and 1927. Hell, I would have enjoyed watching Daniel Plainview read a phone book."--and suddenly imagined DP reading HW "Goodnight Moon" in that stately voice. Okay, so the book wasn't written then, but it's still a funny image.

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    I don't want to beat the point to death, but I certainly don't think Daniel Plainview was a homosexual.  He is a person who is a self-stated loather of the human race.  All that matters to him is power and possessions and an overall dominance.  He did not need to kill Henry, who was really a pathetic and pitiable character.  He did not need to kill Eli, who revealed himself to be pathetic and pitiable at the end.  What he is is a human being so entrenched in himself he couldn't possibly extend himself to another person if they weren't under his realm of control.  As soon as H.W. became distant, wanted to start his own business and got affianced to a member of the (for lack of a better term) enemy family, H.W. was "an orphan."  Sure, he loved the boy to a point, but it was certainly a conditional love.

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