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    I wasn't saying you didn't, I was pointing out the difference to E. W. Marland.  But yeah, I know the point you're making, I just think Daniel didn't have a woman in his life for a reason.  PTA isn't a director I'd think would have omitted the female influence as an oversight.  Frankly, I think Daniel Day-Lewis needs to take more sexy roles. 

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    Well, I definitely agree with your last statement.  What was his last film where he really had a connection with a woman? The Boxer maybe.  He needs another big sweeping Last of the Mohicans.  I would like to see him with Jennifer Connelly.  I think they would be stunning together.

    • CommentAuthorsues
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
     

    It would have been interesting to see how Daniel Plainview would have acted around a woman, but I don't think the film suffers from it.  And power is sexy, no doubt.

    (Ever see a guy in the store, wearing Birkenstocks, buying tampons for his w/gf?  Does that turn you on (ladies)?  That type must appeal to some women, but not me.)  A lot of women, who are educated and independent still like men who take some sort of control over situations.  But I digress from discussing the great and wonderful TWBB.

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    I'm right there with ya, Metallicat!t! My friend and I found Daniel Plainview incredibly sexy! Perhaps not in the bowling alley sequence where the cheese had totally slid off his cracker, but during the rest of the movie?? HOOOYA!! Bring it on, Big Daddy!

    • CommentAuthoradsank
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2008
     

    This struck me the moment I watched the final scene. (And I've only seen the film once.)

    Milk is one of the most iconically sexual images in the universe. We suck milk from our mother's breasts, and we are created, sexually, via a milk-like substance. Hence, "I drink your milkshake!," coming from the confirmed bachelor Plainview to the androgynous boy-faced preacher, is about as sexual as you can get.

    And don't forget Eli's confession to Daniel just prior to the final explosion of violence -- that he (Eli) has done terrible things -- things he's ashamed of. I took this to be an admission of homosexual acts on the part of Eli.

    In exclaiming "I drink your milkshake!," Plainview then mockingly takes on the persona of the Devil, himself. What he's really saying is, "I am the temptation that has led you to Hell." Everything about Plainview -- his immense wealth, his overpowering masculinity and finally, his ability to dominate -- tempts Eli. And in the end, Eli pays dearly for being so tempted.

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    "Your home is a miracle. It's beautiful. God bless it."

    Eli was quite taken with the house--more than I would have thought.

    And looking at that line I now realize that Eli DID get to bless the house, if not the first derrick. but it's not a big thing--it's empty and not worthy of notice.

    Funny, adsank, you should find DP's domination over Eli sexual. When I was writing to a friend about my impressions of the film after I saw it the first time, I was trying to talk about it without revealing too much. I talked about the scene with Eli being beaten and dragged into the mud and fed mud and so forth, and I said that "Daniel Day-Lewis's character abuses and humiliates Paul Dano's character so completely that the only thing he stops short of is sodomizing him."

    Of course, another milk reference in the bowling alley--according to DP Paul suckled his mother's teat while Eli suckled one of Bandy's sows. Of course, technically speaking--DP has taken Bandy's place.

    • CommentAuthorsues
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2008
     

    Also, think about Daniel characterizing Eli as a freak, something that should be kept in a glass jar.  What is it that makes Eli "freakish"?  His religion?  His weakness?  Or something else?

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    Well, as I mentioned elsewhere, I think DP got some good dirt on the Sundays from HW, regardless of whether HW was sent to spy or just heard things.

    There's gotta be one goddamn helluva back story to why and how Eli runs the household and bullies his old man.

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    Plainview has the two things most attractive to American women:  Money and a big long straw.

    • CommentAuthorsues
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2008
     

    I'd go to the Peachtree Dance with him.

    • CommentAuthoradsank
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2008
     

    Yes, E. W. Maryland! The scene to which you refer was brimming with sexual violence, as was the one where Eli forces Plainview's confession in the church (on his knees, natch).

     

    At the end of the day, the whole film's about which one gets to be the "top." D.P. wins.

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    Daniel's sexuality is kinda funny thing. We can argue about it all day, but it doesn't actually matter -- because woman have such little role in this film. It's so weird but the only real female character is like 10 years old (Mary). Daniel has a strange relationship with her. Almost on the verge of creepy. However, I'd say Daniel is straight, seeing as he makes the Peach Tree Joke. But there really is no proof. Maybe he's just trying to fit in with Henry..

    • CommentAuthorkokakola
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2008
     
    There was definitely something weird going on with Mary Sunday. I don't know exactly what it was, but DP treated her... over-affectionately? That's not a word, but I think it conveys what I mean. The hug he gave her after saying "no more hitting" was so utterly creepy that I couldn't stand it. After that I was almost convinced he was going to molest her or something, but I don't think he'd be capable of that having seen the whole thing. Bludgeoning people with bowling pins, sure, but not that--he has at least some sense of decency.
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    Yeah, I'd agree with that. I think that PT Anderson just wanted to make us feel a little uncomfertable with Daneil, before he completely looses it. The Mary molestation tenstion sertainly worked!

    • CommentAuthorYesss?
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2008 edited
     

    I don't know if any of you noticed it, but the girl who (voluntarily) gives Plainview a hug after the baptism is Mary Sunday. Plainview even says (almost inaudibly) something to the effect "My sweet Mary" when this happens. I wouldn't have noticed it myself, but it is in the movie's official Finnish subtitles. While the hitting scene between the two was undeniably creepy (and an indication that Plainview does have in him, deep down, a soft spot for the fairer sex), this hug seemed spontaneous and quite sweet. Was Mary simply expressing her gratitude because Abel had stopped hitting her? Maybe. Plainview, for his part, seems genuinely comforted, perhaps because Mary is not wife-material, just an innocent child and thus her extended hug cannot be considered improper or flirtatious.

    The impression I got from Plainview is that he has never even considered a female companion. All the love and affection he needs is provided to him by his male companions. If he is, as PTA intended, impotent, it explains why he has no need for sexual gratification and thus his need for companionship does not reflect to his sexuality. His insult to Eli Sunday is also interesting, as he clearly considers Eli something of a freak, which could be interpreted as a reference to homosexual tendencies. Plainview is thus revealed homophobic, which would make sense as he is a rough, tough alpha male in a conservative time and place, inhabited by similarly tough men. It does not matter if Eli actually has engaged in homosexual acts or not, his effete manner may have condemned him in Plainview's eyes right from the start. As Plainview taunts Eli, the preacher seems crushed by this affirmation of his weakness (he may not even have gotten a taste of manly love, a simple game of trouser-tennis to thoughts of the handsome Bandy-boy would have been enough to make Eli a sinner in his own eyes).

    I don't see sexual desire directly informing the men's rivalry, though. Plainview has nothing but disgust for Eli, while Eli wants nothing but money from the older man.

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    I could go off the deep end analytically and say DP, whose penis, according to the script, doesn't work, may be angry that Eli has one that functions, yet uses it on men, not for procreation. DP wants to father children, but cannot. Eli could father children, but doesn't. (Unless Mary is his daughter...) I'm not saying any of this is overt, but rather a buried psychological impulse.

    • CommentAuthorptafan
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2008
     

    I wouldn't call him gay. I'd lean more towards asexual, also a virgin.

    • CommentAuthorKassandra
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2008 edited
     

    I didn't read Daniel as asexual or a repressed homosexual.  I think people are just so used to seeing romance in movies that if a main character isn't shown in a relationship they assume there must be some issue with their sexuality.  Just because DP didn't have any encounters with women on screen doesn't mean it didn't happen.  I think it's safe to say that he didn't have intimate relationships with women (unless he'd had failed ones in the past), but I think that was because he just didn't get close to people in general.  I think him having a wife would've seriously detracted from the film so I'm really glad PTA chose not to include that.  He could've picked up a woman in a bar or something though.  I agree with the person who said it would've been interesting to see him interact with a woman, and that would be a way to address his sexuality without having to have a romantic subplot. 

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    I should say I didn't think that Eli was gay in 1911, but I strongly suspect he had picked that up by 1927. There was just something in the way he said young Bandy was very good looking. And something about the disgust he expressed when hinting at the sins he'd participated in.

    And that would've annoyed DP. But again, all this is a very far stretch. I don't think it was overt--more a buried element that may've added to DP's murderous rage.

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    Am I saying that in addition to a nose for oil, DP also has great gaydar?